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I was about to answer

PM me, Rachel

I don't like PMing people, sorry.

Well I'd really really appreciate it, I won't even reply, if it makes it more comfortable

....I'll send something real quick but after that I'm re-disabling DMs

Thank you

oops

9:21 PM

didn't mean to send a friend request...

Oh hah

Ooh! Question for tulpas (and hosts, too - anyone with a mindscape form) If your tulpas have a form based off something... not real life? Drawn, animated, etc. Do you visualize them as what you would see if they were in real life or do you see them as they are drawn/pictured? (edited)

There is no difference.

Hmmm...... It depends. It can be both if I don't really have a mental image of a more hyper realistic version of them imprinted in my mind.

I see my girls as animated versions of their references, which are anime style.

So, for Bari.. they still have whatever figures/features in the refs, kinda just carbon copy of it?

Mine are animated. See, Sweetie.(Just finished that actually, weird coincidence.)

My drawings of Indigo have weirdly influenced his form into looking cartoony sometimes

So, for Bari.. they still have whatever figures/features in the refs, kinda just carbon copy of it? Basically. Vivi is easier to see movement from when I look at her, though.

I never intended for Alex to look realistic, he just sort of automatically does especially when I'm visualizing him overlayed into the real world. I can see individual hairs on his coat and whatnot

It's a weird case for me because I usually base my form off of realistic characters/people/pictures, and then trying to draw me has to do the opposite xP

@Radium Alarie Getting rid of "something" in your head is directly proportional to how established it is. With a tulpa, that can be quite difficult as they get developed enough to actually think on their own as the brain will automatically continue... "reinforcing them" since they will be essentially autonomous at such a point. In order to successfully get rid of something in your head - be it tulpa, information, or behavior, you essentially just need to ignore it until it goes away. But, again - that is easier said than done (as anyone who has tried to kick a habit would know). If at all possible, it is better to have their consent first and otherwise do so before they become too developed - part of why thinking ahead when making a tulpa is an incredibly important idea.

I don't even think it's possible to kill a well-developed tulpa

12:34 AM

unless you wait decades, probably

Exactly. I wouldn't necessarily say it would take decades, but it certainly would take quite a long time - even a year or two is a long time to ignore something so ingrained.

@SkyeNet Yes, I have his consent. It was his idea to begin with, anyways

Its difficult to destroy a tulpa, but its easy to put in into a permanent stasis

1:11 AM

You can effectively keep it dead until you change your mind

Relatively easy =/= actual ease of doing so, mind.

1:11 AM

Do keep that in mind.

Well

An easier solution could be melding

Zack was able to kill one of the headmates. That with me constantly needing to not acknowledge their existence, they soon were gone.

That's just a matter of will

I feel like it might be easier to get rid of a tulpa than one might expect. You could do something like intentionally parroting, surrounding yourself with those who say tulpa aren't real, calling your tulpa an imaginary friend, and more, if you really wanted to go the fast route on killing the habits.

I cannot continue to respond to this right now unfortunately.

"Melding" to get rid of a tulpa is just another way of saying "dissipating" really

Only if it doesnt make a significant change to the host

"I merged with my tulpa to get rid of them" ie "I took some of their traits and dissipated them"

They were being super offensive and disrespectful to me, so I had to rid them. This was back in like 2014 or something. I don't know but Zack wasn't having it.

Melding is a different way of disappointing a tulpa, and it has different after effects

Also

1:14 AM

Who the heck calls "merging" "melding"

Than normal dissipation

1:14 AM

I couldn't remember the proper word for it

Ah

The effect is still the same: the tulpa is dissipated/in stasis

I have always heard melding as a temporary thing when voices get fudged together, and merging as a more permenant thing

yeah

I usually hear that be called blending

Terminology is confusing

Its because there's some distinctions made that aren't real, IMO

1:16 AM

Blending and merging are the same thing, but on different timescales

1:17 AM

Blend, lock, then add time, you got a merge

1:17 AM

Possession is just fronting with unnecessary limitations

Possession is easier to start for many people

Fronting was easier for us than "partial possession"

1:20 AM

Fronting comes naturally after partial possessing for longterm, anyway

Possession is "easier" because the tulpa community leads people to believe that there is a disctinction, and that learning to control a single finger is any less effort than learning to control the entire body

1:21 AM

and because the guides and forums and community teach you that this should be easier, and a preliminary step, it becomes easier

1:21 AM

because you are given that expectation

1:22 AM

but its all the same

1:22 AM

you're just engaging the motor cortex

1:22 AM

your brain knows how to control the body regardless of who's trying to control it

While I agree that it may not be easier to just move one finger, I don't think it's necessarily just as hard to move everything

We struggled forever to do partial possession, but once we attempted full-body, it was a fucking breeze

I thought that possession refered to the whole body lol

Oh, I can do that

full-body possession is

Not sure what you think the difference between possession and fronting is, in this context, then

but full-body possession is just co-fronting

1:23 AM

there is no difference

umm

I mean to Breloom

its an artificial distinction

since he said one was easier than the other

1:24 AM

I thought he meant partial

I dislike the term possession

1:25 AM

it comes from the tulpa community's origins on /x/

Co-fronting from what I know is not really full-body possession... It's partial... at least from another community I know that uses the terms. idk if it differs here.

who believed that tulpas were a spiritual or metaphysical phenomenon

>_>

co-fronting is when they front at the same time as you do

No, co-fronting isn't partial

I see

In our experience co-fronting usually just means rapidly shifting who's controlling the full body, or one person controlling the body fully while the other just watches

the community I come from uses fronting and co-fronting separately.

they're sorta separate

1:27 AM

Fronting implies that you're the only one controlling the body

Shadow for instance can fully control my body or control a portion of it.

I only ever really use the term co-fronting if I'm referring to two tulpas fronting, rather than tulpa and host fronting

yeah

how do you refer to a tulpa and host fronting then?

same thing

I just say I'm fronting

"I'm fronting" is an easy way of saying "I'm switched into the body"

1:29 AM

for me

1:30 AM

Apollo's host isn't able to leave the body, so they operate differently, thus we use the terminology slightly differently (edited)

oh, lyra can't switch out either? small world

Fronting means I'm switched in... just without her switching out

Switching requires the other person to vacate the body

I know, that's why I've never said I've switched, lol